Showing posts with label Pirates. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pirates. Show all posts

Saturday, August 1, 2009

The first caller into GBoF wants to talk Buccos



Thanks for calling!

I know many people are upset about the Bucs tearing the team apart once again and especially about Jumpin Jack and Sanchez leaving, but it comes down to this: do you want to watch players you like or do you want to watch a winning team?

If you want to watch a winner, these moves had to be done. And all of them had to be done. No sense doing it halfway.

Now that doesn't mean Huntington has stocked the system with players who will definitely turn the team around and produce a winner. But they weren't going to win as they were. Now, maybe they'll have a chance in a couple years. Many pieces have to come together still and there are some questions about who they acquired, but the system now has some talent in it and depth as well and jobs will have to be won, not handed out.

The pitching staff in particular may not have an ace in waiting, but there are now many who project as major league arms, something that wasn't true with guys like Bullington, JVB, and other from the Littlefield era.

Just for fun, let's look at 3 different lineups:
2009 Opening Day
C: Doumit
1B: Adam LaRoche
2B: Sanchez
SS: Wilson
3B: Andy LaRoche
LF: Morgan
CF: McLouth
RF: Moss

Post Trade Deadline lineup, 2009
C: Doumit
1B: Pearce
2B: D Young
SS: Cedeno
3B: Andy LaRoche
LF: Milledge
CF: McCutchen
RF: Jones

Tell me the truth, after all those guys who've been dealt, is the second lineup any worse than the Opening Day lineup? Nope, and it might be better if Pearce and Milledge play to their abilities.

Opening Day 2011
C: Doumit
1B: Pedro Alvarez
2B: D Young
SS: Argenis Diaz
3B: Andy LaRoche or Neil Walker
LF: Jose Tabata
CF: McCutchen
RF: Milledge

Rotation: Maholm, Duke, Alderson, Lincoln, Morton. Or possibly: Hart, Bryan Morris, Karstens, Ohlendorff, Ascanio.

Still lots of questions and issues with this lineup. But it COULD be a good lineup and they might still have guys like Gorkys Hernandez, Brian Friday, Chase D'Arnaud, Tony Sanchez, Miguel Angel Sano (??!!) and others to back up in case or be dealt for more players. And jsut waht if guys like Pearce and Garrett Jones can actually play over a full season?

Bottom line: the moves had to be done. It might be more interesting to watch Indy and Altoona for the next little while, but those guys will be in the Burgh soon.

Thursday, April 23, 2009

DOUMIT WILL MISS 8-10 WEEKS; Bucs at 9-6

I would be happy if the Bucs were 8-10 right now. but after a surprising sweep against the hottest team in baseball, they are 9-6 and dare I say on pace for 97 wins.




Today the Pirates have placed catcher Ryan Doumit on the 15-day disabled list (retro to April 20 ) due to a fracture of the scaphoid bone (right wrist). Doumit injured the wrist while batting in the game against the Atlanta Braves on Sunday, April 19.

Doumit, who is scheduled to have surgery on the wrist Thursday, is expected to miss between eight to 10 weeks of action. Dr. Mark Baratz will perform the surgery in Pittsburgh. Doumit will have his right wrist re-examined in four to five weeks to determine the extent of healing. The results of that test will dictate his course of rehab.

The Pirates have recalled catcher Robinzon Diaz from Triple-A Indianapolis to take Doumit's spot on the active roster. The 25-year-old Diaz hit .350 (7-for-20) with a double and three RBI in six games with Indianapolis, which included a .429 (6-for-14) average against right-handed pitching.

Diaz was acquired from the Toronto Blue Jays last year on August 25 as the player to be named in the deal which the Pirates sent Jose Bautista to the Blue Jays. In two games with the Pirates last September, Diaz went 3-for-6 with an RBI.


Saturday, February 21, 2009

'92 All Over Again?

In 1992, Pittsburgh fans could make a very legitimate argument that they had the three best players in each of their three pro sports.

Barry Bonds was MVP of the NL for the division winning Pirates.
Mario Lemieux was the best hockey player in the world for the Stanley Cup winning Penguins.
Barry Foster was a 1,700 yard workhorse and most dominant running back in the NFL for the playoff bound Steelers in Bill Cowher's first yer as coach.

In all objectivity, only Foster's status was debatable.

It's a trifecta that is rare and almost impossible to match, even for cities with 4 major pro sports teams.

So, we are now 17 years later in 2009. And from Pittsburgh's point of view, the Pirates are minor league while Pitt basketball has ascended to major and certainly championship caliber level.

And here we are again, does Pittsburgh have the three best players in its sports? Or is this a biased argument that only a homer would make?

In the NHL, while the Penguins are middling, Sidney Crosby is widely regarded as the league's best, yet Geno Malkin leads the league in scoring. You could pick either of those two and make a very compelling argument he is the best.

That a Super Bowl Champion Steeler is the league's best may be the toughest argument to convince outsiders. Yet, James Harrison was the Defensive Player of the Year,Troy Polamalu may be the most disruptive defensive player and young Ben has won his second Super Bowl and is the clutchest player in the league. I'll take Harrison for this year, the defensive player of the year on the league's best defense that led the team to their Super Bowl win.

Then we come to Pitt basketball, replacing the Buccos in this list. Over the last week, DeJuan Blair is making a statement that is impossible to ignore that he is the best player in college basketball. At the very least, he is the favorite to be the Player of the Year in the Big East on a team that has as good a shot to win the national title as any.

Bonds, Lemieux and Foster in 1992.
Crosby, Harrison and Blair in 2009.

Pretty fair players and all the best in their sports that year.

Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Pirates are Better Than One Playoff Team...


...over the last 10 years.

Only the Royals and playoff (Devil) Rays are worse than the Bucs.

And only the AL Central has been worse than the NL Central, a weak division where the Bucs are 213.5 games out over that span, more than 21 games behind per year. Wow.

RECORDS SINCE 1998

A.L. EAST

New York Yankees 1074- 704 .604
Boston Red Sox 1011- 770 .568
Toronto Blue Jays 902- 879 .506
Baltimore Orioles 791- 989 .444
Tampa Bay Rays 742-1037 .417

DIVISION TOTALS 4520-4379 .508

A.L. CENTRAL

Cleveland Indians 937- 845 .526
Chicago White Sox 933- 849 .524
Minnesota Twins 909- 871 .511
Detroit Tigers 777-1003 .437
Kansas City Royals 743-1037 .417

DIVISION TOTALS 4299-4605 .483

A.L. WEST

L.A. Angels of Anaheim 958- 824 .538
Oakland Athletics 976- 804 .548
Seattle Mariners 907- 874 .509
Texas Rangers 872- 910 .489

DIVISION TOTALS 3713-3412 .521

N.L. EAST

Atlanta Braves 1015- 765 .570
New York Mets 930- 851 .522
Philadelphia Phillies 909- 872 .510
Florida Marlins 842- 938 .473
Washington Nationals 785- 996 .441

DIVISION TOTALS 4481-4422 .503

N.L. CENTRAL

St. Louis Cardinals 980- 800 .551
Houston Astros 957- 824 .537
Chicago Cubs 881- 901 .494
Cincinnati Reds 846- 937 .474
Milwaukee Brewers 809- 971 .454
Pittsburgh Pirates 766-1013 .431

DIVISION TOTALS 5239-5446 .490

N.L. WEST

San Francisco Giants 942- 838 .529
Los Angeles Dodgers 927- 855 .520
Arizona Diamondbacks 900- 882 .505
San Diego Padres 866- 917 .486
Colorado Rockies 826- 957 .463

DIVISION TOTALS 4461-4449 .501

How To Ruin a Franchise

As we watch this year's playoffs, note that the heart of the Phillies came via a strong run of first-round picks from 1998 through 2002 (Gavin Floyd was their #1 pick in 2001):

2002: Cole Hamels
2000: Chase Utley
1999: Brett Myers
1998: Pat Burrell

Compare that list to the Bucs, who had higher selections in 2002 and 1999 and took pitchers ahead of pitchers the Phillies took:

2002: Bryan Bullington #1 overall
2001: John VanBenschoten #8
2000: Sean Burnett #19
1999: Bobby Bradley #8
1998: Clinton Johnston #15

What a horrible list of picks. Only one player with really any chance of still contributing to the franchise and he's a long reliever at that.

Even worse is their list of their #1 picks since 1993. Really, no other explanation is needed for why the Bucs stink than this:

1997 J.J. Davis
1996 Kris Benson
1995 Chad Hermansen
1994 Mark Farris
1993 Charles Peterson
1992 Jason Kendall
1991 Jonathan Farrell
1990 Kurt Miller
1989 Willie Greene
1988 Austin Manahan
1987 Mark Merchant

When you have to argue about whether Kris Benson or Jason Kendall was your best #1 pick over the course of 16 years, you're in trouble. Just when the #1 picks from '87 and '88 should have been coming up to replace Bonilla and Bonds, we were stuck with Merchant and Manahan, who never made the majors.

But also know that this list spans more than one GM or front office administration. It's not just Dave Littlefield who has ruined the Pirates.

Monday, October 6, 2008

New York Thinks All other MLB Teams are in their Farm System

Why would the Bucs trade a player who isn't even arbitration eligible yet and who has the potential of McLouth is beyond me. But of course, the Yankees consider everyone to be theirs for the taking. But we have seen from first hand experience this summer that the Yankee farm system does not hold a wealth of top prospects, the kind the Bucs would need to get in return for McLouth.

Clearly, the Yankees feel they can underpay for McLouth, like they did for Nady and Marte this summer. Huntington can't trade McLouth this offseason and let's hope they don't make any efforts for Jeremy Hermida, another move that has been whispered.

NO TALK ON MCLOUTH TRADE, YET
Decision makers in The Bronx and Pittsburgh said yesterday there was nothing to the Yankees acquiring outfielder Nate McLouth from the Pirates - yet.



"We haven't talked about it, it's premature," a Yankees source said.

"Haven't heard a word about that," a Pirates source said.

Pirates GM Neal Huntington has declared nobody is untouchable, and the Pirates are looking to upgrade a poor minor league system and major league talent base, so McLouth's name has been tossed around. The Yankees are in the market for a center fielder.

Though some believe the left-handed hitting McLouth isn't a true center fielder. The first-time All-Star batted .276 this year with 26 homers and 94 RBIs. McLouth, 27 later this month, was 23-for-26 in stolen base attempts and had a .356 on-base percentage.

After trading outfielders Jason Bay to Boston and Xavier Nady to the Yankees, respectively, the Pirates would want a lot for McLouth, who isn't yet eligible for arbitration and made $450,000 this past season.

Another option in center for the Yankees - who haven't ruled out Johnny Damon, Brett Gardner or Melky Cabrera - is Milwaukee's Mike Cameron, a former Met.

The Brewers have a $10 million option on Cameron, who will be 36 in January and had the Yankees interested last offseason. There is a $750,000 buyout. It's not likely the Brewers will pay that after losing pitchers Ben Sheets and CC Sabathia via free agency.

Cameron, a three-time Gold Glove winner who made $7 million this year, batted .243 with 25 homers and 70 RBIs after being suspended for the first 25 games for violating MLB's stimulant policy.

Wednesday, October 1, 2008

No Doubt About It: Frattare retiring

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08275/916581-100.stm?cmpid=latest.xml

Lanny Frattare, the voice of the Pirates for 33 years, is retiring.

Frattare, who began broadcasting the team's games in 1976, has called the team games longer than any other announcer, including the venerable Bob Prince.

"In the 122-year history of this proud franchise, nobody has brought the action to Pirates fans longer than Lanny," Pirates president Frank Coonelly said. "Lanny's positive impact on the Pirates and the Pittsburgh community reaches far beyond the broadcast booth. Whether it was the countless number of appearances he made in the community on behalf of the Pirates or his two decade-long personal push to raise funds for mentally challenged individuals in our area, Lanny is part of the fabric of this community."

33 years is a long time and longer than Myron with the Steelers or Lange with the Pens. But Lanny will never enter the conversation with the other two as great Pittsburgh broadcasters. Prince will remain as the most beloved Bucco play by play man.

To me, Lanny never really captured me. There were times when I got caught up in his excitement but too many others when he just didn't make the game exciting enough. Ok, maybe he had a difficult task considering most of the teams he covered. Still, I won't miss him that much, unless someone like Kent Dierdivanis replaces him.

I will of course miss the "And there was noooooooooooooo doubt about it!!!!" even after a 9th inning comeback.

Thursday, August 21, 2008

Pirates trade Bautista to Toronto

This management team doesn't waste time. If they don't like you or you aren't playing well, see ya!

The Pirates today traded third baseman Jose Bautista to the Toronto Blue Jays for a player to be named later.

Bautista, 27, was surprisingly demoted last week to Class AAA Indianapolis after batting .244 with 12 home runs and 44 RBIs for the Pirates this season. He went 6 for 20 with two home runs and eight RBIs for Indianapolis.

He originally was a Rule 5 claim of the Pirates in 2004, then was reacquired the following year through trade.

Toronto's Scott Rolen has been troubled by a shoulder injury, so it is likely Bautista will step right into the Blue Jays' lineup.

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Bucs Signings Getting Noticed

The plaudits are beginning to come in for the job the new Bucco regime has done so far. First, the tide has begun to turn on the trades they pulled off, and now, people are taking notice of their draft signings and how it sure looks like things are being done differently in the Bucs front office:
Out of the Pitts: In the hours after the trading deadline, we were critical of the Pirates for dealing three high-profile players without getting back a single can't-miss, centerpiece prospect back. But in the days since, we've been convinced by executives of several teams that the Pirates actually did better in their two big deals than we originally gave them credit for.

"There are no stars in there, but they need that depth of talent," an official of one club said. "They need numbers. And they accomplished that."

"I think they're on the right track," one NL scout said. "At least they decided they couldn't keep doing the same thing they've been doing and took some chances."

One NL executive even defended them on the widely hammered Xavier Nady-Damaso Marte deal, saying: "If they got three major league pitchers in that deal, and I think they did, then great for them. And all three guys (Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf and Daniel McCutchen) are either ready or close. So that's a good deal, not a bad deal."

Nevertheless, when asked to name the best player of the eight this team received in those trades, the baseball men we spoke with had a tough time finding a clear-cut Pirates acquisition they'd buy stock in. The name we heard most: 21-year-old right-hander Bryan Morris (3.15 ERA in low Class A). "If he stays healthy, he's definitely the best talent in that group," one GM said.

Biggest Coups, First 10 Rounds

1. Tim Melville, rhp, Royals (fourth round, $1.25 million, No. 15 on BA Top 200)

2. Brett Hunter, rhp, Athletics (seventh round, $1.1 million, No. 51 on BA Top 200)

3. Ross Seaton, rhp, Astros (supp. third round, $700,000, No. 28 on BA Top 200)

4. Robbie Grossman, of, Pirates (sixth round, $1 million, No. 49 on BA Top 200)

Athletic switch-hitter adds to Pittsburgh's burgeoning outfield talent.

5. Ryan Westmoreland, of, Red Sox (fifth round, $2 million, No. 113 on BA Top 20)


Biggest Coups, Rounds 11-50

1. T.J. House, lhp, Indians (16th round, $750,000, No. 100 on BA Top 200)

2. J.P. Ramirez, of, Nationals (15th round, $1 million, No. 155 on BA Top 200)

3. Quinton Miller, rhp, Pirates (20th round, $900,000, No. 158 on BA Top 200)

He shows flashes of a low-90s fastball, plus slider and average changeup.

4. Dusty Coleman, ss, Athletics (28th round, $675,000, No. 185th on BA Top 200)

5. Bryce Stowell, rhp, Indians (22nd round, $725,000, unranked on BA Top 200)

Friday, August 15, 2008

Pirates sign Alvarez for $6M

It became official at 11:59pm last night, immediately making Alvarez the Bucs top prospect. Give credit to Huntington, who has gone down a very different path than Littlefield, with help from Nutting, and has signed 30 of the picks this year. Combine that with the 8 players brought in by trade and he has done a very good job of restocking a depleted farm system with talent including some very high level talent.

Here are the links:
Perrotto at the Beaver County Times
DK on the PBC Blog
The Trib

In case you don't know what all the excitement is about, Wilbur Miller has already updated his page on Alvarez.

And let's not forget to give credit where it's due: Rocco was calling the signing all night and despite a little hedging, stuck with his guns, though his source was wrong on Scheppers.

But the first place to call the signing was TIOPS, who despite some who think it isn't reliable, has proven that it has high level sources. They called it and got the money almost exactly right at 12:26:
12:26 a.m. $6.35 signing bonus for Alvarez? stay tuned.
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Theinsideronpittsburgh.com is repoirting that the signing is a done deal:
10:30 p.m. Done deal - MLB contract. working for confirmation on the numbers
If so, and if Scheppers signs or not, that would cap a very impressive draft and signings for the Bucs.
11:03 - DK says definitely NO deal yet.
Rocco Demaio on 104.7 on the Bucs post game is saying that the deal is done and will be announced shortly before midnight.

Monday, August 4, 2008

Info on New Buccos

Minor League Prospect Guru Wilbur Miller has updated his site with the stats and analysis of each of the new Bucs acquired in the recent trades. Here are some interesting tidbits:

Jose Tabata

He was considered to have five tool potential, with good speed, a very good bat with the potential to hit for power, and a slightly above average arm for right field. His showing in low A was very impressive for a 17-year-old and left him high up on most prospect lists. Since then, however, doubts have started to accumulate...He finally had the hamate bone removed in August [2007]...hamate surgery can sap a hitter's power for half a year or more...His speed has decreased, too, as his lower body has gotten heavier, which also happened with Jose Castillo.
Brandon Moss
Moss has generally been a good but not outstanding hitter in the minors. He's had good walk totals, but strikes out a lot, especially for a guy who's shown gap more than HR power. Moss has below average speed but plays well enough in the corners and has a strong arm.
Andy LaRoche
For the last five years, Baseball America has ranked him in the top ten prospects in a strong Dodgers' system, including either first or second in each of the last three years. His stock seems to have slipped, however, although it's not entirely clear why...His lack of power this year almost certainly is the result of a thumb injury he suffered in spring training, which required surgery to repair a ligament...there remain concerns that he won't hit for power...Although he was originally a middle infielder, he's probably average or below defensively at third now.
Craig Hansen
When the Red Sox drafted Hansen, he featured a mid-90s fastball and a great slider. The slider deserted him immediately upon his turning pro. He's also had significant problems commanding his fastball. Hansen may have contributed to the problems himself by tinkering often with his mechanics...After coming up to the majors, though, he resumed the control problems. If there's a good sign, it's that the walks have been most of the problem. He's been hard to hit and his K rate has been decent.
Jeff Karstens
Karstens is a finesse pitcher whose velocity doesn't get much above the mid-80s...He profiles as a 5th starter or long reliever.
Ross Ohlendorf
Once he started pitching in relief, his velocity improved to 94 and occasionally better. He's always struggled with LH hitters due to the lack of a useful changeup...history suggests he's most likely to end up as a middle reliever.
Daniel McCutchen
McCutchen started his pro career with a 50-game banned-substance suspension. He blamed it on a prescription drug he took for Attention Deficit Disorder in college and the Yankees reportedly believed him...a very aggressive pitcher who throws a four-seam fastball in the low 90s and a two-seamer slightly slower than that, with his best pitch being a curve. He also throws an improving changeup...BA ranked him the 14th best prospect in a pitching-rich system going into 2008 and he probably hasn't hurt his stock any...he's likely to appear in the Pirates' rotation in the near future.
Bryan Morris
the youngest of the four players they got in the deal and may have the highest ceiling. Morris had Tommy John surgery that caused him to miss all of 2007. He had pitched well in 2008 up through the time of the trade, though, with his fastball reaching as high as 95. He has an above-average curve and is working on a changeup. Baseball America projects him to be a potential 3rd starter.

Saturday, August 2, 2008

Bay Traded: What Are They Saying?


Trying to dig beneath the mountain of blather about Manny and the Dodgers and Red Sox and get to what people think of this deal from the Pirates perspective:
LaRoche becomes the best truly young player the Pirates have, and with Andrew McCutchen on his way up and Pedro Alvarez entering the system, you can see what might comprise a championship-caliber core in three or four years. The Pirates now have players who may become stars, and stars win championships...If you throw out the three prospects, Bay for LaRoche is still a fair haul for the Pirates. They trade Bay at his peak, coming off of an injury, with just 800 PAs or so to free agency. LaRoche will be theirs through 2013, he plays a more important position, and he is just coming into his prime...Five-plus years of LaRoche is a better option than one-plus years of Bay, which is a better option than two months of Manny Ramirez with an option on future services.
At least this year went a heck of a lot better than last year's Deadline Day (when they swooped in to trade for the disaster that was Matt Morris, who will be collecting the last two months of the $13 million the Pirates owed him on a beach someplace).
  • Someone at the PG needed to jump in and bash the Bucs, maybe Smizik and Cook were in Latrobe because this time it's Collier.
In the end, the return that we pulled for Bay was better than any single one of the rumors I've read online in the past two days. Andy LaRoche is real hitting prospect that was stuck in an awful situation in LA... Bryan Morris is a great buy low pickup. He's a very promising pitcher in A-ball...He's the type of pitching prospect this organization doesn't have and desperately needs. Moss's minor league numbers kind of remind me of Steve Pearce's, possibly with less power but more consistency... Hansen has electric stuff and hasn't put it together for the Sox...Seeing as he's probably the player I'm the least excited about in this trade, I think that makes it a very nice haul for Bay.

Friday, August 1, 2008

Bucs 2011 lineup?

C: Doumit
1B: Alvarez
2B: Sanchez
SS: Bixler (Luis Cruz?)
3B: Adam LaRoche
LF: Tabata/Moss/Pearce
CF: McCutchen
RF: McLouth

3 guys who were on the roster at the beginning of the month.
2 from the Bucs minors, assuming Bixler is the SS and I have serious questions about that position in particular.
2 positions filled by guys acquired in the last week. I'm not sure if Tabata would be up by then since he's still only 19, but maybe a lefty/righty platoon of Moss and Pearce could fill in.
And 1 very big guy who is currently not in the system but should be soon, better be soon - Pedro Alvarez. If nothing else, the recent deals by the Bucs make signing Alvarez imperative and they should be focused on nothing else over the next two weeks.

Rotation:
Snell, Gorzellanny, Bryan Morris, Brad Lincoln, Daniel McCutchen

Bullpen:
Capps, Hansen, Ohlendorf, Herera, Jeff Karstens, Moskos?

The pitching will change a lot so this projection will be way off, but of note is that the pitching in the organization is still thin and Snell and Gorzo rebounding are still crucial. Who knows about the bullpen but at least those guys throw hard.

Missing:
Jumpin Jack Wilson - will be dealt, hopefully sometime before the end of 2009
Neil Walker - .235 at AAA for a 3Bman doesn't cut it.
Adam LaRoche - say bye after 2009
Jose Bautista - gone asap hopefully
Zach Duke - how did 2005 ever happen?
Grabow - too valuable to be kept around, he could bring a lot in return

Nady & Marte Traded: What Are Reasonable People Saying?

Getting out from under the weight of New York garbage, er tabloids, some people put some rational thought into the Nady/Marte deal:
The farm system, after six years of neglect, was almost completely barren. The structure of the team was similar to a franchise that has decided to expend all its resources on one or two shots at winning it all. The difference, of course, was that the Pirates weren't built to win it all, they were built to make a low-cost run at .500, and even then the talent level was so low that everything would have to go right for the McClatchy/Littlefield aim-low strategy to succeed. And, with many of their key players set to leave after 2009, they had only two years to do it...Whether Huntington made the right move remains to be seen. What we can say for sure now, though, is that he’s broken from the failed Dave Littlefield strategy of clinging to a losing roster as if it was the 1927 Yankees and trying to tweak it around the edges with penny ante moves. This is the first time in this millennium that the Pirates have made a difficult decision that was aimed at improving the team on the field. By itself, that shows things are different now.
  • John Perrotto at the Beaver County Times counters the thought that the Bucs got fleeced, noting that we shouldn't have to endure any more disasters like Luis Munoz and Bryan Bullington getting called up and not pitching at all.
This is the type of deal Neal Huntington needed to make. Considering that he flipped an impending free agent (Marte) and a player having a career half, this is a very good deal for the Pirates’ first-year GM.
I think Martinez has a slight edge in background/intangibles and in current performance, while they rate even in projection and tools. So overall I think Martinez comes out just a little bit ahead. But it's close, very close, so close that I ranked Martinez at #17 and Tabata at #18 on my Top 50 hitting prospects list.

Bucs Deals: Nady to Yankees

July 31 has come and gone and Neal Huntington has stamped your local baseball team with his own personal stamp, and it looks very different than what Dave Littlefield had in mind or was able to execute against.

Let's look at the deals separately, then the overall haul for the Bucs and then a comparison of where Huntington has differed from his predecessor.

In the end, I think you'll come away more optimistic than you may be right now. So out aside those lingering feelings of doom that has festered for 15 years and know that this is a new regime that had nothing to do with the past 15 seasons and decisions. These are different people thinking different ways, except for the owner, but there are no indications that salary or payroll had any say in any of these deals, unlike the Aramis Ramirez deal to the Cubs in 2003.

[Quick aside: I caught an independent minor league game recently in Bridgeport, CT and the visiting team was the Newark Bears. Upon perusing the Bears roster, I was surprised to see the sausage king of Milwaukee, Randall Simon, listed. But alas, Randall did not play this night. But one Bear who did was none other than Bobby Hill, the prize of that ARam deal. This was a day when ARam had hit a GW HR for the Cubbies that afternoon, which I alerted Bobby to during one on deck appearance and he ignored me until he saw my Bucs hat and realized I shared the pain and he gave a quick point.]]

Nady and Marte to Yankees for Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf, Daniel McCutchen and Jose Tabata.
Marte was gone no matter what - only teams like the Yankees, Mets and Red Sox pay a middle reliever over $6M per year. Maybe the Bucs could have kept either Nady or Bay. Bay in particular likely could have been signed. But let's forget the notion in this case that the Nuttings refuse to shell out the dough - what would signing one of these guys have done? They are a losing team now and without good players coming up to play alongside them, they would continue to lose. And here's the key and where Huntington differs drastically from Littlefield: both of these guys were at the peak of their trade value and have enough questions around them to doubt their continued performance levels (Nady has never hit above .280 before, Bay's age raises questions) and Huntington realized this and moved while the iron was hot. As opposed to Littlefield, who dealt players at their lowest point in value and got little in return.

Still, in this particular case, I am not a big fan of this deal from the Bucs perspective. For two main reasons:
  1. Nady and Marte were two of the more valuable trade chips ANY team had and packaging them together likely diminished the overall return that could have been brought back. We've seen lefty specialists bring back big bounties in the past - Rincon for Giles and Gonzalez for LaRoche for example. Marte is better than those two and while the LaRoche deal looks bad for the Bucs right now, LaRoche was at least as good a prospect as any the Bucs got in this deal.
  2. The way the deal negotiations have come out makes it seem like this came together very quickly and Huntington didn't shop around enough to see if he could get a better offer. As soon as he offered Nady and Marte together, he should have offered them to other teams besides the Yankees.
So on this side, I have no problem dealing wither and/or both Marte and Nady. They were going to go. My only issue with this deal is the return and even I am coming around a little on the return. Let's look at them:
  • Ross Ohlendorf: On the Yankees pregame show before their home opener this year that eventually got rained out, the Yankee blowhards (announcers) stated flat out: "Ross Ohlendorf is the key to the Yankees this year." I spit out my drink and laughed. Truly, it was nonsense and if he was truly the key, then the Yankees should be in last place right now because he has not been good. Still, it's insightful because he was being counted on to become the bridge between the starters and the 8th inning, then manned by Joba Chamberlain (a key role, but one that should never be considered the key to an entire team). Point is, he has potential and throws hard and one half season of struggles aren't enough to make teams get rid of him. He can still be that middle reliever, late innig guy the Yankees were hoping for.
  • Jeff Karstens: If the claims of quantity over quality come from anywhere, they probably come from seeing Jeff Karstens in this deal. No major upside here, he's a 25 year old who can be in a rotation but not at the top. Or he could be a valuable middle guy, certainly likely to be better than JVB or Osorio or...I could go on and on.
  • Daniel McCutchen: Born two days after Karstens, he is a possible middle of the rotation starter who will begin in the minors. The fact that these two pitchers are both 25, soon to be 26, means they aren't likely to progress significantly and that they are what they are, which isn't necessarily all bad, but it's not like these guys are plus prospects either.
  • Jose Tabata: the key to the deal and the reason why some people either really hate this deal or really like it. YankeeNation of course, is disparaging Tabata for walking out on his team earlier this year and claiming he would never blossom and that they don't allow his kind of player on the Yankees (another drink spitter!). And there are flags: he left his team earlier this year and has had a bad year numbers wise. But one article recently spoke of how he has rebounded from the early season suspension and getting his confidence back. And as a 19 year old, he won't be the first to have a bad year at AA and rebound (see Hanley Ramirez), but there are lots who don't bounce back as well. I think he is too risky a return for what the Pirates had to offer. Still, he is only 19 and until they sign Pedro Alvarez, he is the best prospect in the organization.
This is a deal that will only get better for the Bucs over time, until the time comes and a fair evaluation of Tabata can be made. The three pitchers can come a blow up a la JVB or Bullington and the deal could still be a good one if Tabata pans out. But to be fair, Tabata has to become a productive major leaguer, maybe not a star, and at least two of the three pitchers need to become contributors. I'm not sure they will.

But maybe this deal helped to get Huntington's feet wet, as his second trade was even more impressive...

Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Blogging Bucs vs Yankees 6/25


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Top of 1st
-We on with Yankee announcers Michael Kay and Ken Singleton. Kay is almost as annoying as Yankee radio guy John Sterling - two blowhards. Singleton isn't bad at all though.
-No Franco, Wannstedt or McClatchy tonight. Instead we get treated to Mayor Lukey in the front row.
No other celebs are spotted except for a Tom Murphy lookalike sitting where Franco was last night.
-Tough play by Wilson and he doesn't get Abreu. And a walk to ARod loads the bases.
-Duke looks like the scarecrow trying to reach for Wilson's relay to first on a potential double play ball and it costs the Bucs 2 runs. If Duke can move 6 inches, the inning is over and no runs score.
2-0 Yankees
Bottom of 1st
-Nothing much happens 1-2-3. Crowd seems quieter tonight than last night.

Top of 2nd Inning

-what is it with Yankee pitchers at the plate? Duke walks Chamberlain with 2 outs after Gorzo walked Rasner twice last night. Three walks to pitchers who don't hit is almost impossible to do. Duke gets Cabrera to ground out to third and Bautista makes Chamberlain run to second, maybe that will take a little out of him. Or maybe not.
2-0 Yankees

Bottom of 2nd
-Yankee announcers continue to praise PNC Park, Michael Kay says it is a perfect postcard for the city.
-Doumit singles and Bay follows with a pop up down th RF line that Abreu can't catch. He looks like the Tin Man trying to run. Not sure if he looks worse than Duke but we already have 2/3 of the Wizard of Oz rejects and we're only in the 2nd.
-LaRoche does nothing with runners on AGAIN and strikes out meekly. Time for Joey Bats...
-Who proceeds to meekly pop out to LF. At least he made contact but this inning started with promise is looking like a dud. Why no X-Man tonight? Word was he would be in the lineup. We'll have to follow up on any updates.
-JackW in the spot that makes it so tough for a #8 hitter - 2 outs and the pitcher on deck. It would be easy to pitch around him to get out of the inning. But JackW singles to right and for who knows why, Doumit is waved home, where Abreu promptly throws him out by 45 feet. Seriously, he wasn't even in the TV picture when Posada caught the ball. I know there were 2 outs with the pitcher coming up so maybe you take a chance; but against Abreu who has a gun and with slow footed Abreu? Very questionable.
2-0 Yankees

Top of 3rd
-JackW has had some shall we say interesting plays tonight. He had 3 in the first, including an error that I don't think you can blame him on on the potential DP, and a tough one on Abreu's grounder. And he ended the inning with a great stab and glove flip to Sanchez at 2nd to end it. Now he throws away Jeter's grounder after he fields the ball behind 2nd and spins. Not sure why he spins but Jeter is on 2nd base.
-Another reason to not waive Doumit: the pitcher will lead off the 3rd. If you hold Doumit, no matter what you've bypassed the pitcher in the next inning.
-Abreu does what LaRoche couldn't and grounds out but moves the runners up a base. If LaRoche had doen just that, the Bucs would have at least 1 run.
-ARod makes like Jory Bats and pops up in the infield, Jeter can't score from 3rd.
-Newly pornstached Giambi is up. I think the Stache is coming back in but it's still weird to see and Giambi's seems extra thick and bends down around the corners of his mouth. Joey Bats is playing Giambi at SS, Jeter can basically take a lead 2/3 of the way home. He could easily steal hime.
-Bautista moves over a bit and Giambi bloops one in front of a diving Morgan in RF; 3-0.
-This looks a lot like last night's game but tonight the Yankees are getting the bloops at the right time and the Bucs are giving away outs.
-Giambi runs and Posada singles on Duke's 53rd pitch. 1st & 3rd 2 outs. Duke needs to get Cano or this could turn ugly quick.
-Last night with RISP: Yankees were 2-11. Tonight they are 2-5.
-Luckily, Cano swings at pitch #54 and grounds out to Sanchez.
3-0 Yankees

Bottom of 3rd
-Duke leads off because Beasley sacrificed Doumit to end last inning for some reason. Will Chamberlain return the favor and walk Duke? He does average 5 walks per 9 innings - not good. Duke had him at 3-0 but then takes two and seings through the 3rd for a K.
-Morgan makes Chamberlain work but winds up hitting the ball 2 feet and is thrown out by Posada.
Just to fill you in on the pregame news: the Bucs made a trade today to acquire a relief pitcher from Detroit. Nothing major but maybe we won't see Osoria in any keyspots anymore. Also, there are more moves to be announced after the game - they need a starter for Friday and maybe Saturday and the new player is not an option. Here's the news from the Trib:
Making another low-risk move for a player with potentially high upside, the Pirates today traded for hard-throwing right-hander Denny Bautista.

To complete the deal, minor league reliever Kyle Pearson was sent to the Detroit Tigers.

To clear space on the 40-man roster, outfielder Kevin Thompson was given his unconditional release from Triple-A Indianapolis. Tuesday, Thompson had season-ending hand surgery.

When Bautista joins the team today, the Pirates will make a move on their 25-man roster, likely sending righty T.J. Beam back to Indy.

-Kay just calls Sanchez the most unknown batting champion of all time. We can't believe that's true. Looking it up, we found a few who we think were less well known: Ralph Garr of the Braves in 1974, Phil Cavaretta of the Cubs in 1945 (a War year), Debs Garms of your Buccos in 1940 (who is the least well known of the Pirate batting champs - and the Bucs have more of them than any other team.), and Heinie Zimmerman of the Cubs in 1912. For all we knos, Heinie may have been the Manny Ramirez of his era, but today? Not so much. So there are a few but what strikes us is that batting champs are generally pretty well known good players. We thought there would be more guys who we hadn't heard of.
-anyway, Freddy grounds out.
3-0 Yankees

Top of 4th
-Sister Christian, in his 2nd MLB game, lays down a nice bunt that Joey Bats can't field.
-For some reason Girardi doesn't let Duke walk Chamberlain and orders him to bunt, which he does well. Christian to 2nd.
-Cabrera flies out to center.
-YES Networks shows some old clips of Yankee first base coach Tony Pena. Seeing him in his crouch with his leg stretched out brings back many memories. Of mostly bad teams from 1980-86. His trade to St Louis on April 1, 1997 was stunning because he was beloved and really the only good Pirate, unless you think Joe Orsulak was good. But it paved the way for the Division Titles of the early 90s: bringing back Van Slyke and Lavalierre as well as pitcher Mike Dunne.
-2 outs and again, tonight isn't like last night: Jeter doubles off the base of the left center field wall and Christian scores. Jeter is 3-3 and has hit the ball real hard.
4-0.
-Sanchez throws out Abreu on a close play at 1st. Inning over but this game is decidedly different than last night. The Bucs better get the bats swinging soon.

4-0 Yankees

Bottom of 4th
-Make that 25 batting champions since 1900 for the Bucs, once every 4 years or so. Pretty impressive. Maybe not as impressive as the Yankees 26 World Series, but it's something to work with.
-Batting in the 3 hole tonight, McLouth grounds out.
-Trying to shake things up, Doumit ground a liner right off Chamberlain. But he doesn't appear to be hurt and throws him out. It was worth a shot.
-Bay grounds out. Yuck.
4-0 Yankees

Top of 5th
-Duke gets the Yanks 1-2-3.
-We had to get some food so were listening to the radio broadcast. Susan Waldman says "you could get mesmerized by this view" Sterling follows with his usual understated way: "I was just thinking that. It's overwhelming." then they were quiet for 2 minutes.

4-0 Yankees

Bottom of 5th
-LaRoche strikes out meekly on a ball in the dirt.
-Bautista walks.
-JackW is up with Duke on deck but a PH likely if Wilson does anything. Maybe if he doesn't. He takes one for the team and saunters to first.
-Rivas to PH for Duke. Like all but one of his previous PH appearances, Rivas makes an out. At least it's not 2, but he's now 1-14 as a PH.
-Morgan swings at 3 bad pitches to strike out. Maybe they should ahve PH for Nyjer too. Chamberlain has thrown 87 pitches through 5. No pitch count on him tonight.

4-0 Yankees

Top of 6th
-TJ Beam in on the hill.
-Paul Meyer at pg.com is blogging this as well. He feeds us this gem from Elias:
The always-working Elias Sports Bureau researched this gem about Yankee pitcher Darrell Rasner walking in his first two plate appearances Tuesday night. Rasner became the first pitcher to walk in his first two plate appearances since Baltimore's Mickey Scott in 1972 -- the season before the designated hitter rule went into effect.
-Cano beams one right out of the park; 5-0. No wonder that Beam is the guy who will likely be sent down when a starter for Friday is called up.
-Christian makes out.
-Chamberlain hits and lines out to Morgan; 2 outs.
-Cabrera walks.
-Mr. 3-3 Jeter is up. Lookout. Walk. Beam is on the edge of implosion here.
-Beam went right off the edge and into the fire - Abreu goes deep; 8-0. Bye bye TJ, your time up here was not so sweet.
-Russell keeps him in and ARod greets him with a basehit. This isn't Bronson Arroyo bad but Beam is not leaving a good impression.
-Giambi grounds out 4-1. It's over.

Yankees 8-0

Bottom of 6th
-Kay and Singleton note that the Bucs 25 batting titles have been won by 11 different players. Including one in 1966 when Matty Alou finished first and his brother Jesus was 2nd. Honus Wagner won 7 and Clemente 4, Parker 2, Madlock 2.
--Two fly outs and a double by Doumit.
-Bay leaves with more groin tightness and Michaels K's.

Yankees 8-0

Top of 7th
-Doumit for All-Star? Not going to happen but he his hitting .350, tops by far among catchers and so is his .636 slugging. His 10 HRs are 3rd most. McCann, Martin and maybe Molina are having as good or better years. Soto is doing well too. But you could argue that Doumit has been the 2nd most productive catcher in the NL behind McCann. He just hasn't played enough.
-Burnett is in and he gives up a hit to Cano but gets Christian to ground into a nicely turned DP, 6-4-3.
-Time to stretch, or pour another drink if you're a Bucs fan and still sitting through this.

Yankees 8-0

Bottom of 7th
-LaRoche is just horrible, grounding out the first meekly. Everything is meek with him. He had 3 hits yesterday, maybe starting something, but then looks horrible tonight.
-If anyone can look worse than LaRoche, Bautista just did on about as ugly a swing as you will see in striking out.
-JackW singles. Bucs have 5 hits tonight. They had 19 last night. It always seems to go that way.
-Mientkiewicz is the PH and the Yankee announcers talk about how much he wants to get back to the Yankees. He wants to win these three games but that the Yankees belong n the playoffs. So much for his great attitude, the Bucs don't need this guy, let him try to hook on again with the pinstripers. He singles anyway, moving JackW to 2nd and Chamberlain to the showers.
-Morgan K's.
-The Bucs have only been shutout once this year, fewet in the majors I believe. They have 6 outs to keep it at 1.

Yankees 8-0

Top of 8th
-Osoria is on!! This could get real ugly. Balls will be hit hard.
-Betemit singles.
-Cabrera singles. Betemit to 2nd. Seriously that just happened on 2 pitches; 2 hard hit balls.
-At least Jeter is done for the night. Some Gonzalez is hitting for him. McLouth runs down a ripper in the gap, 1 out.
-Abreu doubles; 9-0. The over/under of runs for this inning was 4 at the beginning and has gone up.
-an out!
-LaRoche snares the hardest hit ball of the inning for the 3rd out. The pitcher hit it. Yikes.

Yankees 9-0

Bottom of 8th
-Two quick outs from Sanchez and McLouth.
-Doumit hacks away but K's.
-3 more outs to avoid a shutout.

Yankees 9-0

Top of 9th
-Grabow is in for some reason. It's not as if he hasn't had work recently.
-He walks Posada.
-Cano singles, he has 3 hits.
-Basically, the Yankees are doing what the Pirates did last night, maybe even a little moreso since the Bucs haven't really mounted a threat.
-Grabow walks Christian. Again, why is Grabow in this game?
-Interesting DP: grounder to Bautista who steps on 3rd for teh force then throws home to get Posada, who was obviously running half speed either thinking Bautista would go to first or that it didn't matter in a 9-0 game.
-Cabrera singles home Christian; 10-0. Grabow hasn't pitched in 4 days and it shows.
-Little pop is the 3rd out.

Yankees 10-0

Bottom of 9th
-LET'S GET SOME RUNS!!!!
-had to do it.
-Michaels singles to keep the hope alive.
-but LaRoche is up. And of course he K's. Can we throw him in the river now?
-Attendance of 38,952. That tops last night so is now the third highest ever at PNC.
-Bautista flies out.
-JackW keeps the flame burning with a single.
-First and second, two outs and the PH will be.... Raul Chavez! And he flies out.
-That's the Yankees 6th shutout of the year and the 2nd time the Bucs have been blanked.

That was about as much fun as a hammer to my big toe.

Tomorrow is the rubber match: Mussina vs Maholm.

Let's update the ALL IMPORTANT STANDINGS (up to the minute including the Mets game tonight but not the Tigers game, which is still in progress):
Yankees 42-36 - $209M
Mets 38-39 3.5 $138M
Pirates 37-41 5.0 $49M
Tigers 36-40 5.0 $139M

Bucs Win; Up Record vs to 5-13 All-Time vs Yankees


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1927: Bucs go 0-4 vs Yankees in World Series
1960: Bucs go 4-3 vs Yankees in World Series
2005: Bucs go 0-3 vs Yanks in Yankee Stadium
2007: Bucs go 0-3 vs Yanks again in Yankee Stadium
2008: Bucs are 1-0 vs Yanks at PNC Park

That makes them 5-13 vs the Yankees All-Time In Games That Matter (or don't include old comedians batting leadoff).

Where to rank last night's win? It was a great performance by the Bucs offense and Gorzo lucked into a couple DP's and got out of self-made trouble early. And Osoria's damage was forgotten 5 minutes after the game by everyone except Damaso Marte.

But let's not get too excited here: last night's win stands as the 5th all-time greatest Pirate win vs the Yankees. Out of 5. A game in June pales in importance to any game in October and so even though the crowd was the 3rd largest in PNC Park history and the Bucs cruised, let's remember that there is still a long way to go until the Bucs play in one of those October games.

Still, before we get too far, let's take a look at the ALL-IMPORTANT STANDINGS as of this morning:
Yankees 41-36 - $209M
Mets 37-39 3.5 $138M
Pirates 37-40 4.0 $49M
Tigers 36-40 4.5 $139M

Some things I found interesting:
  • In all the runup to the series, much time has been spent on the 1960 World Series (none on the '27 series BTW), and it shed a light on another of the many astounding facts and tidbits that made Game 7 of th '60 Series the greatest World Series game, and maybe the greatest baseball game, ever played:
    There was not a single strikeout in Game 7, the only time that has happened in 601 World Series games.
  • Spotted behind home plate: Dave Wannstedt in a rependant salmon colored shirt. Dave stayed through the whole game. I think if you're sitting in the first row and are a somewhat celebrity, you pretty much have to stay the whole game no matter what.
  • Kevin McClatchy!! Sitting next to Franco! After years of trying to get the Yankees to visit Pittsburgh instead of the absurdity of the Bucs visiting the Bronx, Kevin was seen enjoying the game.
  • With Franco sitting with McClatchy and Maz throwing out the first pitch, the authors of the two greatest plays/moments in Pittsburgh sports history were in attendance. I'm sure they've been in the same place before, but this wasn't an autograph signing at the Monroeville Mall.
  • Meaningful baseball in September & October in PNc Park would be a lot of fun.


  • Last night wasn't the night to get suicidal. The Bucs won! There were a lot of Yankee fans in town though, so maybe he was a pinstriper.
  • I wish I could argue with the writer of this, but 15 years of losing means you have to take whatever they throw at you. Really all I can say is that this guy has to tell people he works for the New York Post:

    They have done what was required against the dregs of Bud Selig's world, taking seven of nine from the awful Astros, putrid Padres and rancid Reds.

    And while the pitiful Pirates are on the docket for the next three games beginning tonight in Pittsburgh.

Saturday, June 14, 2008

Last Night was NOT the Night

Somehow this team is allergic to .500. They have now failed 5 times this year to win a game that would ahve put them at the break even mark. Last night was the most frustrating as they held a 6-1 lead after 4 innings and then proceeded to watch not quite ace Phil Dumatrait walk the house and the bullpen blow up, leading to a desultory 9-6 loss to the O's.

Just to respond to a few bloggers/media types who say that .500 is nothing to rally behind, I say feh! This team hasn't seen it in 15 years and they are not going to the playoffs this year so it would be a sign of progress that the team could build on. And though they've been at .500 at similar points in past seasons, it would be nice to get there and maybe beyond, but you have to get to .500 first. And 0-5 when one game below doesn't cut it.

Some nice articles and links from Baltimore yesterday, mainly discussing the Bucs/O's rivalry or 2 World Series they played in the 70s:

Friday, June 13, 2008

Is Tonight the Night?

As you can see from the below, the Bucs head into Baltimore at 33-34, one game below the magic .500 mark. At least 4 times previously this season, the Bucs have been at this point only to lose.

Tonight they face the 32-33 Orioles in Baltimore. As if playing the Bucs first game in Baltimore since winning Game 7 of the 1979 World Series isn't pressure enough, newly crowned ace Phil Dumatrait will take on the .500 gods with the additional motivation of being able to push the Bucs to the top of the All-Important Standings.

Interleague play has not been favorable to the Bucs. They have a baseball worst 57-94 record vs the AL since play started. And they get no breaks this time around, playing a decent Orioles team, the first place White Sox, the .500 Blue Jays, the dangerous and improving Yankees and finishing with the very impressive Rays. Having 9 at home whould help, but if they falter in the first 6 on the road, .500 could be far away in the rear view mirror by the time they return to PNC.

The All-Important Standings
Yankees 34-33 - $209M
Pirates 33-34 1.0 $49M
Mets 31-34 2.0 $138M
Tigers 29-37 4.5 $139M

Thursday, June 12, 2008

Before Forbes Field?

Some great info about Pirate ballparks before Forbes Field, including historic Exposition Park on the North Side.

For the exact location of Exposition Park, check this out from 1890.